Forsaken is just unfun
>Beat Forsaken player 3-4 times in a row. (3-4 best of 5 matches). THEN all of a sudden he's parrying EVERY move I throw out because you know, it's been 3-4 games, and I only have the 16 moves he needs to learn. So in order to play against this and beat him now, I have to change my timing or feint some moves? Wow, thrilling gameplay. I wouldn't be complaining if he was some god that parried every move I had from the very start, but this is just plain retarded.
tl;dr: Forsaken is unfun to play against any amount of times other than once.
tl;dr: Forsaken is unfun to play against any amount of times other than once.
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Obviously your experience will become somewhat lacklustrer, your re-matching the same dude multiple times and it's very easy to get a lucky parry.
Also, It would be impossible for anyone to parry every move from the start, as your opponent wouldn't know what attacks are in your deck lol.
Note that while he did learn your deck, you can learn his too. With my deck, I use alot of different counter move that strafe/duck/jump. If I know what is coming next, you are pretty much screwed too, and that is without using parry (I'm a windfall user)
Oh? Having difficulty against that Forsaken you just beat 3 times in a row? Try playing a COMPLETELY different way so you can beat him again.
Yeah, no thanks.
@Galoyal No, the same argument CANNOT be made for Windfall. A Windfall has literally NO ability to deal with horizontal (mid area) moves. You have to use the game's built-in dodge for all classes, and that's insanely unreliable. You can't windfall dodge left, or right, and you can't jump or duck. So please, tell me again how the same argument can be made for Windfall. And don't even get me started on Kahlt. I can REACT to a Kahlt absorb when he starts throwing his combos at me. There is NO reaction time available after getting parried. You take the punishment because they get a free hit. The only time I'm annoyed by this, is if I've already beaten them in a fight almost 10 times. I REFUSE to change my playstyle against someone who doesn't have to use a single extra bit of brainpower to play their class.
Because make no mistake, some move are too fast for your brain to actually compute. You can only parry a jab in this game because you KNEW I was going to throw it or you got lucky. No way your brain did compute "oh that's the animation for the jab" and responded with a parry in time.
It's sort of harder in a good way, in this game as every opponent has a different moveset.
Git Gud.
It sounds rude, but seriously, it's true. What happened to have that guy start beating you? He got good. A bad player would never have gotten down the study of your movelist and the timing of your attacks and the pattern they come in. That's the easy part too, because all that can change on the fly if you did what you've been told to do, which is to change it up. You always do a five-hit string with a sweep as the fifth and then cancel with a strong attack? Cancel the third attack into a strong attack, then next time start with a different string, then cancel the second hit on that string into a strong attack.
He was also bad at it, because a better player would have read you like a book on either the first or second round, and your response to all this? Nerf the parry because he figured me out and I shouldn't have to get better to win? Do you want to only face gibbering idiots the entire time?
Come on man, don't be dumb. If someone beats me because they are better than me, I just admit it and move on and try to get better myself. What you are doing is a poor excuse to stay where you are and not progress, but to still succeed by bringing everyone else down to your level.
As far as I can tell the whole point of the post went completely over everyone's head. I said it was unfun to play against Forsaken.At no point did I call for a "nerf" or a rework even. I just said it's not fun to continue playing against anyone of this class. If there was a ranking system, I would find some sort of competitive fun because I'd have a real reason to CONTINUE to outsmart my opponent.
So for anyone who has replied to the original post, and to anyone in the future. Learn to read, and once you're certain you can do that, go ahead and find some sort of appropriate reply to the post. Should've expected it to go off topic the moment I posted on a forum.
I agree with you, Parry is absurdly easy. Two directions, but anything mid is an omni-parry that will parry from any direction(most initiators, elbows, and any vertical move), and a success leads to critically guaranteed moves that can do 100+ DMG? Gross. A forsaken with even mediocre knowledge of your deck can punish you incredibly well, throwing neutral out the window from them in poor neutral to them in an exclusively forsaken level of excellent neutral.
Feinting and Punishing is something you can do to every ability. If you feint a Kahlt the recovery frames make them get hit in the face. Feint a windfall and you track them and beat them until they dodge again. Stagger feinting can avoid the abilities tap, letting you reinitiate.
Feinting a Forsaken is ironically the one with the least rewards. It can make you eat a buffered hit. Feinting into a damaging move can just be parried if they parry in a panic twice, a positive perk in the place of most other classes negatives upon doubling up on ability usage. Foraskens also have Option Select.
This basically means if Forsaken misses the parry, they dodge, and if they connect the parry, they critically damage you, making Parry absurdly difficult to punish with feints, but also consistently keeping their critical moves. By hitting both dodge and attack buttons, the game just automatically selects the best option for them, which makes them slippery as hell. If you don't get parried they slip away. If you get parried they beat you down. This is done automatically for them.
As contrived and rude as this post is, there is at least some merit. The forsaken at least got general knowledge of your deck. The issue is that even bare minimum knowledge of a deck with Forsaken is mounds better than complex knowledge with any other ability due to Parry simply destroying neutral and flow, something no other ability has.
TL;DR, always limit rematches to 2-3 with randoms. Any further is just each of you learning how to play specifically against yourselves rather than getting any better. Parry is the best ability in the game by miles, but its IMO only annoying fighting people new to the ability rather than those who've used it dedicatedly due to the sheer pressure of them just having a 50/50 at random.
Rather than get gud, just play to have fun.
Kahlt animations are sick but at the cost of a pretty useless ability, which gimps the gameplay itself if you aren't used to it.
I should clarify that good Forsakens are still a joy to fight, watching someone slowly learn your deck to land buffers is really fun. The problem is good Forsakens are few and far between as instead of needing to even learn buffers you could just flick the stick wildly and reap rewards of consistently good neutral just off the ability alone.